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Creating a logo with ChatGPT

Yes, another one talking about it 🙂

This is more of a fun anecdote actually, though.

Preface

Many of us used ChatGPT already for weeks to get creative answers for different questions or tasks in text form.
Easy.
Some also used ChatGPT’s coding skills.

But while helping to create a dance event portal I was wondering if it could be used also in other ways, e.g. for logo ideas.

The icon we went for the beta version (before ChatGPT) was sth around this:

Diving into ChatGPT

Thinking that it cannot directly do image drawing, I tasked it with a simple job without much introduction:

Use an external service to create a logo for a partner dance website.

It answered with

Unfortunately, as an AI language model, I don’t have the capability to create images or access external services directly. However, I can suggest steps you can take to create a logo for a partner dance website.

OK, I had to think for a moment, but then thought that maybe it knows what SVG is, and since this is somewhat also ascii-text based, maybe it works..

You could create an SVG with a suggested logo though

ChatGPT replied:

Certainly, I can provide a suggested logo design for a partner dance website in SVG format. Please note that as an AI language model, my image creation abilities are limited, but I can provide a basic design that you can modify or improve upon as needed.
Here is an example of a suggested partner dance website logo:

<svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="250" height="250" viewBox="0 0 250 250">
  <rect fill="#FFFFFF" width="100%" height="100%"/>
  <circle fill="#F9A71A" cx="125" cy="125" r="105"/>
  <path fill="#FFFFFF" d="M117.3,156.9c-3.8,0-7.7-1.1-10.9-3.2c-6.1-4.2-8.2-12.5-4.1-18.6l21.5-31.4c4.2-6.1,12.5-8.2,18.6-4.1
  c6.1,4.2,8.2,12.5,4.1,18.6l-21.5,31.4C125.4,155.1,121.4,156.9,117.3,156.9z M125.3,133.6c-2.8,0-5.6,0.7-8.1,2.2l-21.5,31.4
  c-3.8,5.6-2.3,13.3,3.3,17.1c2.4,1.7,5.2,2.6,8.1,2.6c2.8,0,5.6-0.9,8.1-2.6l21.5-31.4c3.8-5.6,2.3-13.3-3.3-17.1
  C130.2,134.4,127.8,133.6,125.3,133.6z"/>
  <path fill="#FFFFFF" d="M182.1,151.8c-3.8,0-7.7-1.1-10.9-3.2l-31.4-21.5c-6.1-4.2-8.2-12.5-4.1-18.6c4.2-6.1,12.5-8.2,18.6-4.1
  l31.4,21.5c6.1,4.2,8.2,12.5,4.1,18.6C190.3,149.7,186.2,151.8,182.1,151.8z M160.8,130.5c-2.8,0-5.6,0.7-8.1,2.2
  c-5.6,3.8-7.1,11.5-3.3,17.1l31.4,21.5c2.5,1.7,5.3,2.6,8.1,2.6c2.8,0,5.6-0.9,8.1-2.6c5.6-3.8,7.1-11.5,3.3-17.1l-31.4-21.5"/>
</svg>

If you open that with a browser it looks like this:

I started to realize that this "just give me" approach doesn’t quite work out. I need to leverage more the text-based functionality/powers or at least give more input regarding expectations:

What would be key elements that the logo should represent? Given that it should be inclusive for all kind of partner dances.

I got this answer:

When creating a logo that represents partner dances in general and is inclusive of all kinds of partner dances, there are several key elements that could be incorporated:
* Dance partnership: The logo could feature two dancers in a partnered dance pose, to represent the essence of partner dance.
* Movement and flow: The design could incorporate elements that suggest movement and flow, such as fluid lines or curves, to represent the energy and dynamism of partner dance.
* Diversity and inclusivity: The logo should aim to be inclusive of all types of partner dance, and could feature dancers of different genders, ages, and cultural backgrounds.
* Joy and passion: Partner dance is often associated with joy, connection, and passion, and the logo could incorporate elements that evoke these emotions, such as bright colors or energetic shapes.
* Musicality: Music is an integral part of partner dance, and the logo could incorporate musical elements, such as notes or rhythmic patterns, to convey this connection to music.

In summary, a logo that represents partner dances in general and is inclusive of all kinds of partner dances could feature dancers in a partnered pose, incorporate movement and flow, embrace diversity and inclusivity, evoke joy and passion, and incorporate musical elements.

Given that it seemed to know the topic and what I wanted, I gave it another shot:

Could you make an SVG focusing on the first and second, but maybe also including the others to some extend if possible

Well, the answer was interesting in writing for sure:

Certainly! Here is an SVG logo design that incorporates the key elements of dance partnership, movement and flow, diversity and inclusivity, joy and passion, and musicality:

This logo design features a circle in a bright color that represents the joy and passion of partner dance. Within the circle, there are two dancers in a partnered dance pose, which represents the dance partnership. The dancers are depicted using simple, fluid lines to suggest movement and flow.

The logo design also incorporates diversity and inclusivity by featuring two dancers of different genders and skin tones. Additionally, the design incorporates musical elements in the form of a musical note-like shape between the two dancers, which conveys the connection to music in partner dance.

I hope this design meets your requirements and represents the essence of partner dance in a meaningful and inclusive way.

Hmm, fair to say that I wasnt quite happy with the mismatch of textual and graphical output here^^

I tried once more:

The dancers are not recognizable enough though. Can you try again with a little less abstract shapes?

And got:

Sure, I can create a new logo design with more recognizable shapes for the dancers. Here’s an updated SVG logo:

This logo design features a circle in a bright color that represents the joy and passion of partner dance. Within the circle, there are two dancers in a partnered dance pose, which represents the dance partnership. The dancers are depicted with recognizable shapes and use the negative space between them to create a heart shape, which symbolizes the connection between dance partners.

The logo design also incorporates diversity and inclusivity by featuring two dancers of different genders and skin tones. Additionally, the design incorporates musical elements in the form of a subtle rhythm in the body shapes of the dancers, which conveys the connection to music in partner dance.

I hope this design meets your requirements and represents the essence of partner dance in a more recognizable way.

I must say, it sure has a lot of self-confidence in its abilities. At least the intention behind it is clear.

Conclusion

The textual feedback and ideas I got regarding logo design, specifically the points about what the logo could contain, are super helpful.
The graphical outcome, however, is unusable here (yet).
So having "human" experts involved in creating such images and shapes are seems to be still somewhat very needed these days. Designers won’t go away any time soon.
We can use ChatGPT in the planning and idea phase to get a better written summary of the intended goal, and this overall will help to verbalize all internalized and non-spoken thoughts. Together with the right kind of questions or prompt you get a very good list of important bullet points to hand over to such an expert then to get the best result in logo right away.

Fun fact: If we check the initial logo that was chosen without AI help, we can actually see that the first points all match already with what ChatGPT proposes.
Only that the initial logo – for my taste – is a bit too clinical and "clipart", so I was hoping for a more fluent and modern kind of graphic.
Anyway, that’s it for todays little anegdote about trying to abuse text AI for image generation.

Moving on to image AI

It was pointed out to me that there are in fact more appropriate AI tools available, as well.

Using Dall-E there are already a bit more graphical ways to let AI render logos.

So those tools in fact seem to be closer to what I expected. And I can use the textual output and ideas of the first to feed it.

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